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Indymedia (2): Give ‘Em Enough Rope

February 10, 2009

giveemenoughrope
Αν δεν υπήρχε το athens.indymedia.org ίσως να μην είχαμε διαβάσει ποτέ το ακόλουθο:

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indymedia10

10 Δεκεμβρίου 2008
«ειχαι ανεβει κοσμο απο το πολιτεχηνηο-περιοχι, οταν εγιναν επιυηειεις τον βατσον, στο πολιτεχηνιο. Εφτασε κοσμο λοιπον στο νοτιο πλευρα του πλατεια, και ανιχαν μερικοι ενα μαγαζακι κινιτον, wind, νομιζο. Λοοτινγ, για 15 λεπτα και μετα κατεβικανε βατσοι, τρεχοντας να σοσουνε ενας ithioktitis?) στο μαζαζι το wind. Fasaries me mpatsous, pollous,, magazatores? fasistes? zitades? se plain clothes pantos eixa thei merikous na pairnoyn meros sthn poreia prin! Sylipseis, 2-5.
Prosoxi loipon!»


Και ενώ δεν έχει μάθει ούτε το αλφάβητο ή πιθανότατα δεν είναι νόμιμος κάτοικος αυτής της χώρας, έχει άποψη και συμμετέχει στον συντονισμό της επιβολής της “δημοκρατίας” και της “δικαιοσύνης” με την μέθοδο της φωτιάς και του θρασύδειλου τσαμπουκά σε μια βολικά απροστάτευτη πόλη με την αστυνομία απλό θεατή. Τέτοιους θαρραλέους “ήρωες” θρέφει ο “χώρος”.
Μια ακόμη προσφορά στο κοινωνικό σύνολο, από το “ανεξάρτητο” (“independent”) ελληνικό indy-media, (a media that seriously depends οn your dependancy (addiction) to mindless random murderous and other “revolutionary” acts).
Από την ξακουστή αυτή ιστοσελίδα των ανθρώπων που δημοσιεύουν φωτογραφίες και προτρέπουν: «Αυτός είναι. Τσακίστε τον.»
Αυτό το φαινόμενο της τυφλής βίας δεν είναι καινούργιο. Είναι αναπόσπαστο αξεσουάρ κάθε μεγαλούπολης-τσιμεντούπολης. Η ανατροφή όμως της εγχώριας νεολαίας τους δημιουργεί κάποιες αναστολές όταν θέλουν να καταστρέψουν και κυρίως όταν θέλουν να σκοτώσουν κάποιον τελείως άγνωστο.
Αυτές οι αναστολές διαλύονται με το απαραίτητο ιδεολογικο-πολιτικό υπόβαθρο, γι’ αυτό είναι και αναγκαία η δικαιολογία του κυνηγιού μαγισσών, δηλαδή της επικάλυψης μιας κάποιας επαναστατικής χροιάς σε κοινές εγκληματικές πράξεις.
Αυτοί λοιπόν χρειάζονται τους “φασίστες” τους, και το σύστημα τους χρειάζεται όλους μαζί πακέτο.


Το ελληνικό indymedia λοιπόν. Ένας ακόμη χώρος όπου το όπιο του “εξεγερμένου” αναμιγνύεται με μπόλικο αφιόνι και δεν βλέπει την ώρα να κάνει την Αθήνα Παρίσι για να βγάλει τα απωθημένα του.

Για να τα ζυγίσουμε λιγάκι:


Κόστος του server, διαδικτυακής σύνδεσης και hosting : μερικές χιλιάδες ευρώ.

“Έλληνες” γενίτσαροι και εκδικητικοί αλλοδαποί να βγάζουν το άχτι τους νομίζοντας πως κάνουν επανάσταση;
Priceless!

Γιατί λοιπόν να κλείσει; Που αλλού θα μπορούμε να διαβάζουμε όλους αυτούς τους εκδικητικούς τύπους όλους μαζί μαζεμένους να “εκφράζονται ελεύθερα”;
Και ενώ σχεδόν κάθε αντίλογος κόβεται στα γρήγορα από την “διαχείριση” της ιστοσελίδας τους, όλα τα σιχαμερά μηνύματά τους που προτρέπουν να μας κάψουν όλους (“τους μίζερους μικροαστούς”) παραμένουν για όλους τους παραπλανημένους να τα διαβάσουν και να τα ακολουθήσουν.
Που αλλού θα διαβάζουμε τόσο συχνά συνθήματα για κρεμάλες
(που έρχονται) και ανθρωποκτονίες για “καλό σκοπό”;
Υπάρχει λόγος που η εξουσία θέλει να υπάρχουν τέτοιες εστίες “επαναστατών”. Υπάρχει λόγος που τους υποστηρίζει, τους καλύπτει και τους υπερασπίζεται, όπως και η αγαπητή σε όλους μας “δημοκρατική” εφημερίδα Ελευθεροτυπία και όποιος άλλος ενδιαφερόμενος πλουτοκράτης μεγαλοεκδότης καναλάρχης και ψευτοπροοδευτικός μεγαλοδημοσιογράφος και δεν συμμαζεύεται.
Όπως υπάρχει λόγος που η εξουσία συντηρεί και προβάλλει όλους τους “γραφικούς” τάχα “εθνικιστές”. Εκείνους που είναι -όλως παραδόξως- νυχθημερόν στα τηλεπαράθυρα παρέα και σε συνεχή “κόντρα” με τους άλλους “επαναστάτες” δήθεν αριστερούς του ΣΥΡΙΖΑ.
Η γελοιοποίηση και η δυσφήμιση του εθνικού αισθήματος μέσω της υπερβολικής έκθεσης της κάλπικης έκφρασης του ψευτοπατριωτισμού είναι ένας βασικός στόχος των μέσων ενημέρωσης. Για να αποτρέπουν έτσι το κόσμο από κάθε έκφραση της εθνικής συνείδησης και αντίστασης για να προχωρά απρόσκοπτη η διάλυση της χώρας με το μαζικότατο εισαγόμενο μελλοντικό διαίρει και βασίλευε των λαθρομεταναστών σε συνδυασμό με τις διεκδικήσεις των αγαπημένων μας γειτόνων και την μετατροπή της χώρας σε no name-
ανάμικτη νοτιοβαλκανική επαρχία.
Επίσης, είναι η καλύτερη τροφή για τους κάθε λογής ντόπιους και εισαγόμενους χρήσιμους ηλίθιους-κάφρους που μισούν κάθετί ελληνικό και δεν βλέπουν την ώρα να μας κάψουν όλους. Συντηρείται τεχνητά ένας δήθεν μπαμπούλας “φασιστών” για να φοβούνται οι πατριώτες και να ξεθαρρεύουν οι ανθέλληνες.
Από τα “προοδευτικά” αυτά ΜΜΕ δεν επιτρέπεται να ακουστούν οι φωνές των ειλικρινών εθνικά σκεπτόμενων Ελλήνων, επειδή αυτές οι φωνές είναι επικίνδυνες. Η πραγματικότητα της κατρακύλας και της λήθης ξεπερνά και τις πιο απαισιόδοξες προβλέψεις και όμως όλοι σχεδόν σιωπούν. Την ίδια στιγμή όμως, οι βροντερές φωνές των Λαζόπουλων, Πιτσιρίκων, Καλαμούκηδων, Πανούσηδων και Κανάκηδων, όλων αυτών των “μίζερων μικροαστών” αλλά παραδόξως άκρατα επαναστατημένων “σατιρικών”, έχουν την πρώτη θέση, αφού “πολεμούν το σύστημα”, και με το αζημίωτο φυσικά, αφού τους φιλοξενούν όλοι οι πλουτοκράτες επειδή τους χρειάζονται για να ανοίγουν τα μάτια του κόσμου μέσα από τα “ελεύθερα” ραδιοφωνικά και τηλεοπτικά κανάλια τους. Πως λέμε μάτια ερμητικά κλειστά; Και στόματα επίσης. Αυτοί είναι οι διασκεδαστές μνησίκανοι. Η ευχάριστη πλευρά της ζωής μας. Και το γέλιο είναι πολύ μεταδοτικό.
Έτσι και οι παίδες του ελληνικού indymedia. Δεν ανακάλυψαν τον τροχό. Ανακάλυψαν ένα μέσο για την ταχύτερη μετάδοση της βλακείας. Όλες οι άλλες χρήσιμες πληροφορίες του μέσου γίνονται αυτομάτως άχρηστες όταν το μέσο είναι φωλιά για τον κάθε μνησίκακο και φανατισμένο κομπλεξικό που στο όνομα τάχα της καταπολέμησης του “φασισμού” (πέντε δέκα περιθωριακών) νομίζει πως έχει το δικαίωμα να γίνεται ο ίδιος φασίστας ναζιστής και να τρομοκρατεί ολόκληρη την ελληνική κοινωνία.
Η περιρρέουσα ηλιθιότητα και προδοτική ανθελληνική μανία των “επαναστατημένων” αναρχο-ακρο-αριστερίζοντων αλλά και το (σοβαρό) έλλειμα ανθρώπινης υπόστασης που τους χαρακτηρίζει είναι η καλύτερη εγγύηση για την μακροημέρευσή τους.
Το σύστημα της σοσιαληστικής παγκοσμιοποίησης τους χρειάζεται.
Τους χρειάζεται πολύ.



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indymedia19b
Για τον Αλεξη ρε παιδιά

indymedia13
Ελευθερία στη εκφραση όλων των ιδεών

indymedia14
Κάψτε τους

indymedia8b
Ανεξιθρησκεία

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indymedia2
Η Δημοκρατία των αναρχικών και η αλλαγή κυβερνησης

indymedia1
Για να λαμπαδιάσει η Αθήνα ρε παιδιά

Γλωσσάρι:

αντιφασισμός , αντιρατσισμός 1 (Μαύρος Κρίνος)

αντιφασισμός , αντιρατσισμός 2
http://athens.indymedia.org/front.php3?lang=el&article_id=933427#933696
δημοκρατία
ανεξιθρησκεία
πολυπολιτισμός





One Response to “Indymedia (2): Give ‘Em Enough Rope”

  1. Y Says:

    [Imc-europe] The sad story of Athens Indymedia
    Dimitris M. dimo at indy.gr
    Sun Jul 13 04:20:09 PDT 2008

    Hello imc-communication & imc-europe,

    DISCLAIMER: long and bitter email follows

    Athens Indymedia was founded in November 2001. That’s the only accurate fact in the text sent by riamatze & kazaoul.

    Nobody from the initial collective participates today and it’s not because of a lack of interest, but because they were forced to leave. Most of them simply got disappointed by the internal conflicts that started around 2004 and apparently never ended. Many others were attacked with slander and threats of violence, while there have also been more than a few violent attacks against members of the collective, even against people that started the whole project in 2001.

    I got involved in 2002, doing mostly tech work. At that point there were about 15 more or less active people in the collective. Since then, both the website and the collective grew and became an important node of (counter)information which was getting more and more useful to the activist crowd and was starting to have a visible impact on society. In many occasions, even the Greek corporate media were forced to feature
    important stories about social struggles & police brutality that originated from Indymedia. IMC Athens was on its way to become one of the most active nodes in the Indymedia network and one of the most content-rich and high traffic websites in the “Greek” web.

    In the beginning, the website was hosted in a server in Canada, which was provided for free by an Indymedia activist. When the load started to grow we had to move to a paid server. Then, after a huge effort, mostly by people who left the collective some time after, we managed to setup our own server in a space were we didn’t need to pay a monthly fee and was/is as secure as it can get for an Indymedia website.

    In February 2005, I moved to Valencia, Spain for 7 months. When I got there I found out that there was a very new collective that just applied for Indymedia membership and was asking for help. I helped them set up their website, which was hosted in the Athens Indymedia server, of course with explicit consensus from the rest of the collective.

    At the time I got back to Athens, the internal conflicts were escalating and shortly after I witnessed the first wave of violent attacks against members of the collective. The source of the conflicts and the violence was always a single person, but he was very skilled in extracting bits of support from others and managed to avoid marginalization.

    We then started a long effort to resolve the conflicts and make sure they never get out of hand again. We failed miserably. We couldn’t even get a commitment from that person to never again use violence against members of the collective. We also couldn’t kick him out because there was no consensus. We attempted to define a set of horizontal processes that the collective should follow according to the Indymedia Principles of Unity, but the attempt was also blocked by that same person because “we are anarchists and don’t want any laws”.

    The “I am anarchist, you are not because I say so” card was used extensively, in addition to conspiracy theories about organized factions or even agent provocateurs from political parties that were supposedly trying to take over IMC Athens. The stories would adapt according to the setting and the audience. As a result, some people, especially those that were following what was happening from a distance, fell for some of those stories, or at least had their doubts, and decided not to stand against him. He even managed to get a couple of active followers along the way.

    When it was clear that there was no consensual way to resolve the situation, a group of 9 people, including me and most founding members, decided to leave Athens Indymedia and start another similar project. Apart from the violence and the personal conflicts, there were also concrete political disagreements about how we see Indymedia itself.

    We could never think of Indymedia as a tool/weapon of “The Movement”, as do some of the people that remained in the collective. There just isn’t a single movement. Even if there was, it would be impossible for us to agree on which groups are part of The Movement and what is the true interest of The Movement in any given context, in order to “manage” the flow of information accordingly.

    Instead we perceive Indymedia as an autonomous movement in the field of (counter)information, that has its own clear principles and provides communication tools to all individuals, groups & movements that respect these principles and wish to use our tools in order to promote social justice.

    So, by the end of 2005, we finally left the collective after it was agreed that we would use the same server for indy.gr, our new project that we were starting to work on. For many months after we left, theonly techies maintaining the server were among us. I was also the only techie left to care for Valencia Indymedia, which I did, until some tech-savy people joined the remaining IMC Athens collective. Shortly after that, our access to the server was blocked.

    Moreover, some of the people that remained, did whatever they could to defame us and make sure that we don’t get the opportunity to set up another server under the same conditions. This caused a significant delay but in the end we managed to find an acceptable, but far from optimal solution. The attacks by former comrades were not over even after we managed to launch the indy.gr website in beta mode at the beginning of 2007.

    One year later, we managed to solve most of our technical problems and now have a website we are quite proud of, but we are still struggling to undo the damage from the defamation campaign that was launched against us, especially in anarchist/activist circles. We have been accused of many blatant lies, including our supposed sponsoring by a leftist political party. Again, some activists fell to those rumors.
    Some of those that didn’t and used indy.gr to publish their articles after evaluating our work, fell victims to personal attacks and threats of violence by some of our former “comrades”.

    During that first year of trial operation we also offered to host Valencia Indymedia in the indy.gr server. Valencia Indymedia was offline for months, since there was no techie left to manage it apart from me and there were some security issues that had to be fixed. However, some people from IMC-Athens decided that they should not allow me to restore it! A few months later, a brave new IMC-Athens techie did some great work and finally managed to restore IMC-Valencia, but unfortunately it was too late. The extended downtime in combination with the lack of energy from the local collective proved to be pretty much fatal to the project.

    It’s sad but funny that the same techies (who joined the collective after the first split), are now being attacked for a lack of solidarity to other activist web projects by the same people who chose to let IMC-Valencia die, rather than to allow me to fix it. They didn’t care that I was technically responsible for it since it was launcheds. All
    they cared about was how to cut down any possible connection between indy.gr and the Indymedia network.

    I don’t know what exactly happened inside the IMC Athens collective since we left, but from what I hear and read it’s clear that the situation has been very similar to what we were facing a few years ago. Probably even worse. The text that was sent by the 12 exiled members, describes quite well most of the same problems that we failed to solve.

    There was even an open assembly about the problems of Athens Indymedia which was organized by the 12 exiled members 12 days ago. It was published in both IMC-Athens and indy.gr as well as in the streets of the city. The remaining members of IMC-Athens have been deleting any mention of this event from athens indymedia and they have even been taking down its posters from the streets. To add insult to injury, some of them came to the assembly were they once again attacked somebody during the first 10 minutes of discussion after he criticized them of being authoritarian. There have been around 90 people in the assembly that can confirm this among many other ugly incidents.

    The website athens.indymedia.org still has quite a lot of traffic and often hosts some good articles. But apart from that it’s a joke. The few people that control it act like corporate media managers, allowing only the information that they consider relevant and useful to “The Movement”. Dissenting articles and comments are not simply hidden but permanently deleted, especially the ones posted by former members of the collective. There is a complete lack of transparency. There has even been a case when Indymedia was used to mobilize hundreds of people who ended up occupying Universities in Athens & Thessaloniki and were about to confront the police as a response to a supposed police murder. There have been many cases of police brutality in Greece but that was clearly not one of them. The person who published the featured article knew that very well, but chose to encourage the mobilization & the confrontation by publishing a lie, discrediting Indymedia and the hundrends of people who still trusted it back then [November 2005].

    Out of the 12 “exiled” members that undersign the text that initiated this discussion, 4 of them were in the collective from which we left from and the other 8 joined later. The current IMC Athens administrators are just a handful of people. 3 of them were in the collective we left from. It’s quite depressing the fact that the vast majority of Indymedia people in Athens have been expelled/exiled/forced to leave by an insidious minority of 3. It’s also very clear that there is not a single chance for reconciliation between those 3 and everybody else that left in the past.

    As for indy.gr, we are very happy with our new website. We developed Indycore, a modern codebase that integrates tools for activist networking which can be freely used by other Indymedia websites, and we are finally ready to apply for Indymedia membership. We would prefer to work in cooperation/coordination with all the people in Greece that are interested in Indymedia, but not with the current IMC-Athens czars. We are also happy to focus on our project and let Athens Indymedia find its own separate way.

    However, the current situation is very problematic. The tactics used by a few members of the current collective should not be tolerated in any grassroots collective and especially not in Indymedia. The Indymedia Principles Of Unity have been violated in many ways by the current IMC-Athens czars. This is a very hard problem that has been going on for years but now it has escalated and needs it has to be solved somehow, preferably on a local level.

    In solidarity,
    Dimitris

    source:
    http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-europe/2008-July/0713-s3.html


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